There’s something wrong with a series when a single episode makes me hate nearly all of its main characters. Let’s take a look:
Lelouch: “If Geass is the power of the King, there need only be one, and that’s me.”
I’ve always been behind Lelouch and while I don’t mind if he wins or loses everything in the end, at least he seemed to be fighting for the right reasons. I don’t think this statement was meant in the way of “I’m going to rule the world”, but he’s putting himself on that slippery slope, and as V.V. said, he’s really starting to resemble his father.
Charles: “Destroy the gods and rid the world of dishonesty”
I like this guy, but I still can’t get behind him or his regime. Oppressive dictatorships aren’t really my thing. And what a waste of awesome hair.
Suzaku: “I need to rid this world of an evil person like Lelouch, so I’m going to do whatever it takes.”
Whatever it takes, huh. Like injecting a friend with Refrain in order to get information out of her despite the fact that that very drug destroyed her family, and despite the fact that you’re just a cog in the wheel, and let’s face it, you aren’t important. Get the fuck away from Kallen and die. Please. This personal vendetta against Lelouch is making him look like Kazuki from Dragonaut, and that’s just awful.
Roro: “I killed your best friend! Love me nii-san!”
And I thought he just had some sick devotion to Lulu since he was the first person to show him love, but those little kids he murdered in this episode sure seemed to be happy to see him. What possible reason could there have been for not killing him off this episode? So he could keep showcasing that hideous outfit?
C.C., Orange-kun, and Cornelia are all this series has going for it right now. The way things are going, it really makes everyone else look rather unimportant. The series is finally going somewhere and half the characters have no part in it. The Knights of Round? The Chinese? Who cares. Fuck ‘em.
Man things sure are getting Gundam Seed Destiny around here.
I didn’t like that episode at all … and i miss Shirley already :/
I don’t know what is going to happen next but i’m not sure it’s going to be awesome :s
“What possible reason could there have been for not killing him off this episode?”
…I am telling you yaoi-fangirls took over the writting team and its getting out of control…
Yeah, this whole “we can only communicate within 2 inches of each other” business has got to stop.
I wouldn’t know about GSD, thankfully, so the reference is mostly lost on me beyond the superficially obvious, whatever…but even so, I think this episode is still moving the series in a better direction than, say, wherever we were two episodes ago.
The KoRs will probably have something to do eventually, I’m not too worried, and Xingke…after his rather poor arc (no, it’s not his fault, it’s the staff’s, but…guilt by association, I guess), he (and his nation, in turmoil and all) may probably just play a support role and I’m fine with that.
And honestly, I liked the episode itself too.
No tricks, Rollo was behind the murder. Good.
More C.C. Good.
Cliffhanger, and not just any cliffhanger. Good.
Yes, Lelouch is pissed off and not thinking things through all the way, but next episode should give him time to…”meditate” about many things, including his recent behavior and even his hypocrisy, to put it lightly.
I don’t think it’s necessary to root for him all the time, especially not when he does stupid or inanely merciless stuff (except if it’s against Rollo, but that’s a special case), but this shouldn’t be news…Lelouch isn’t exactly a well-balanced individual, his main motive has always been to enact revenge, for god’s sake. This is just him doing so while in a state of RAGE, and probably barely hidden self-shame as well (since he also caused Shirley’s death, however you want to explain it).
As for Suzaku, I think that’s bad, but I’ll wait and see what happens first…Kallen could just confess, making it unnecessary. Don’t know.
Rollo…I can’t excuse his not dying, not too much, since I wanted that to happen, but he’s definitely going to. This episode just made it clearer than ever.
As I saw on a post from a forum I go on, I truly believe this episode served the purpose of making Lelouch seem darker so we’d be more open to the “kill the gods” idea that’s no doubt coming up. whatever, I just got an episode 22 vibe from thsi episode, and i don’t like that *shiver*
I’m 4 eps behind, do I bother catching up?
>Camario
I’ll agree with everything you’ve said except the point about Suzaku. Whether Kallen confesses or not says something about her, it doesn’t change Suzaku’s decision to use the drug as a threat/means of extortion.
I’d like to see her catch him by surprise and shoot him up with the Refrain before making her own escape, but sadly Suzaku is a Ninja and I doubt she could pull it off. But damn would that be satisfying.
>21db
I can’t say whether you should or not. Finish Ebichu first :V
What I said about Suzaku’s just a guess, and not much of one frankly. It’d be more interesting to see her fight it, like you said, but it may not be enough to overpower him. Still, if it happens, I’d welcome that. Definitely.
However…the OP sequence hints that things may not be over so easily, even if she manages to get away from this one.
i agree with what camario says all in all.
there are always epsiodes that dont turn out how you want them and it is true i miss shirley as well. she was the one thing in my mind holding lelouch back to a normal school life. now with kallen and cc the only two girls left, (and saying this is hopes the fangrils HAVENT taken over the script) which one will win?
now the only thing that truely pissed me off in this episode was:
GOD DAMNIT SUZAKU YOU BASTARD!!!
*cough* ahem *cough*
im sorry but that low life is stooping to lelouches qoute on qoute “level” if he thinks hes going to inject her with drugs. honestly not even zero would do that…and thats just sick and wrong. suzaku, kindly go fall in a grave and die!!!!
Couldn’t have said it better myself marie.
Frankly, i will probably hate suzaku no matter what he does, but what he’s about to do is just all around sick.
I’d love to see Kallen kick his ass. :)
As for Lelouch, i don’t really think that killing innocent people (and children for that matter), will atone for shirley’s death. But i still think i’m gonna back Lelouch.
All in all, this episode got like a 4 outta 10 on my list. I guess we’ll just see what happen’s in the next ep.
Man things sure are getting Gundam Seed Destiny around here.
haha lol great comment person #1
Ummm…QuirkyMarie, Lelouche already does that.
He just doesn’t use refrain, and it doesn’t just stop at being force to rant while remembering the happy things in your past. No, he uses his Geass, and have people literally shoot thier own brains out by screwing with their heads. Then to make it better, they don’t even remember what happen afterwards, so he can make them dance naked and no one but him would know why.
Then let’s see, he twisted a ratherative good person [Eurphy] to destroy how own hard work, and then killed her afterwards for his mistake.
Geesh, drugging Kallen …with an addictive drug is really so horrible, especially since she is a prisoner of war and I am pretty sure there is a lot of people who woud like to do a lot worst to her to get the information. INstead, she is put in a dress, and allowed to talk to the governess directly whenever she likes. It actually takes the death of two important people in his life at the hands of the Black Knights [[Zero's group]] for him to snap enough to even want to do that to her.
Oh lastly let’s not forget, Kellen isn’t a saint either. She might have hesitated, but she tried to murder Suzaku last season. Though you know, being drugged is a hell lot worst then being stabbed in the back during your own party.
Lol. Someone doesn’t understand war at all.
Also
> Then let’s see, he twisted a ratherative good person [Eurphy] to destroy how own hard work, and then killed her afterwards for his mistake.
There was nothing wrong with this. He only “twisted” her accidentally, and it was irreversible. Shooting her was the best option.
>I am pretty sure there is a lot of people who would like to do a lot worst to her to get the information.
No, not really. Nobody else really cares enough to interrogate her personally, and Nunnally probably wouldn’t allow it. She was upset enough that Suzaku was referring to Kallen as Prisoner Number # instead of using her name. Imagine what she’d do if she found out about this.
Ummm…I think you are the one whom doesn’t understand war.
A prisoner of Kellen’s standard is put in the deepest darkest cell and beaten regularly until she talk by some unknown guard, but Suzaku took her in. I mean, how was Nunnally to even know she was captured unless he took her back with him. She is the governer of Japan and everything went down in China. That meant, someone had to pull some strings to make sure she went to Japan and not to Britianna’s main base or to some other prison camp that is closer or more secure.
Something that is possible for Suzuka’s rank, and even then, how many governers do you know that visit the prisons?
He still could have had her in Japan, and it would have been unknown to Nunnelly. Though that is not what he does, in fact, he even bothers to clean her up instead of putting her in the same striaght jackets that the rest of the Black Knights had the pleasure of wearing.
As for Eurphy, maybe that was his only choice, but maybe not. No one will really know now, so, I guess we have to leave it as that. It’s still horrible that someone else dies for Lelouch’s accident.
> A prisoner of Kellen’s standard is put in the deepest darkest cell and beaten regularly until she talk by some unknown guard
Call me crazy, but I’d always figured Brittania to be civilized enough to follow the Geneva conventions or their equivalent thereof in the Geass Universe. There was no evidence that any of the other Black Knights were in any way tortured or beaten.
And still, The Knights of Rounds are just nobility who take orders directly from the emperor, but I imagine they are still at the command of whoever’s country they are staying in. Just because you are an elite pilot doesn’t give you the right to fuck around with the prisoners. It’s pretty damn obvious that nobody would approve of this sort of treatment, which is why he seems to be doing it in secret.
Ummm…Britianna’s army gun down innocent civilians, I don’t think the Geneva convention is something they think about. Also, they beat the shit out of Suzaku when they wanted to find out if he killed Clovis or not. Questioning aren’t nice, and did you see the nice little collar they put on him as they took him to court when they plan to execute him anyway despite him being innocent.
They are really ones to play fair.
WHy then didn’t they beat the Black Knights? Simple answer, they didn’t need any information from the Black Knights when they captured them, and really …they were going to kill them anway. WHy waste the time and energy?
Finally, a Knight of the Round seems to be second only to the royal family. What Suzaku wants, he can pretty much get. I mean the guy had to sign off on how to deal with a guy whom try to kill him, which meant, until a signature was on that paper nothing would have happen to him.
Though, Suzaku didn’t sign it, but another member of the round did before it starts on him being evil again.
I doubt he is hiding Kellen, because for one he wouldn’t show her off to the Govener of Japan. That is kind of open for hiding and second, I doubt that Kellen rode with him all the way home.
>Britianna’s army gun down innocent civilians
When under orders from corrupt leaders, yes they do. Leaders that are now dead.
You are quite correct that Suzaku was beaten. But we’re talking about Prisoners of War here, so that really doesn’t apply. A country like Brittania doesn’t need to show much restraint with a traitor accused of assassinating royalty, and punching and kicking does not equate to permanent damage from the forced use of a highly addictive drug.
> Finally, a Knight of the Round seems to be second only to the royal family
Oh hey, guess what Nunnally is!
> I doubt he is hiding Kellen
1. Stop spelling her name like that.
2. No shit.
>Britianna’s army gun down innocent civilians
When under orders from corrupt leaders, yes they do. Leaders that are now dead.
[[Really, then 1, 2, 3 what is Lelouche fighting for? Oh he don't give a damn, he just like to kill Brittanians]]
You are quite correct that Suzaku was beaten. But we’re talking about Prisoners of War here, so that really doesn’t apply. A country like Brittania doesn’t need to show much restraint with a traitor accused of assassinating royalty, and punching and kicking does not equate to permanent damage from the forced use of a highly addictive drug.
[[Oh really, and Kallen [sp?] is apart of an organization that murdered two known royal family members. She kind of deserve the royal beating, and I am pretty sure that you can be executed by association in those cases. So ummm, highly addictive drug is horrible, but you know locked up in a prison with no access to the drug after the first adminstration will kind of work for rehab]]
> Finally, a Knight of the Round seems to be second only to the royal family
Oh hey, guess what Nunnally is!
[[Umm...okay, and your point is?]]
> I doubt he is hiding Kellen
1. Stop spelling her name like that.
2. No shit.
[[Wow, did you just pick the most mandane things I wrote to quote, or really was that all that popped out at you?]]
> Really, then 1, 2, 3 what is Lelouche fighting for? Oh he don’t give a damn, he just like to kill Brittanians
You really don’t know, do you?
Re-watch the series from episode 1, then come back and I’ll be glad to continue quoting the most “mandane” things you have to say. ;)
hmmm…Lelouche’s reason list
# 1 for his sister’s peaceful world – strike that out- Nunnelly decided to do it herself
# 2 Revenge – Geesh that sounds like a new song
# 3 Because Lelouch believes the system is corrupt – strike that out as well – all of those corrupt leaders are dead
Starts the song again,
1 , 2, 3 ..what is Lelouche fighting for?
Oh he just want revenge, so let’s destory Britianna.
just watch some merrical or something happens and sherly comes back